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Milan Italy Public Demonstration against ostracism practiced by the Watchtower.

by Nick! in

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milan italy public demonstration against ostracism practiced by the watchtower.. .

two years after rome, yesterday december 1st, day by day, we were about 100 of us demonstrating on a public square in the center of milan, italy.. .

at about 10-11 a.m. many of us were already on the spot, installing our gazebo on the public square where we were granted authorization by the police and starting the distribution of about 4000 tracts to passersby in the surrounding squares, boulevards and streets exposing the watchtower for its teachings and instructions on discriminating those who decide to use their rights to walk away from this religious movement without to have to incur the ostracism imposed by the leadership.

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Roberto This is one thread that everyone on JWN should read! It is the most important issue that we need to address to the WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.

The WTS has over the years brought cases to the Supreme Court for their rights to engage in evangelism. They have rights to preach house to house, rights to print books, rights for no-blood transfusions and the rights of not paying any taxes on all their profits on the selling of books, magazines and all real estate property.

The right to leave a religion is a human right. The WTS will not anyone exit without any penalties. The penalties are a heavy burden to carry. You will be called an oppostate,your family and friends inside the congregation will be told not to associate with you. The only way to avoid the shunning is to stay inside the organization and follow all the rules.

I have seen the cruelty of shunning. I have started threads on JWN on how my cousin was made to leave the house when his mother died because fellow congregation members paid a visit to the family. How my cousin was made to stand on the side of the funeral home and not in the front row because he was disfelloshipped. How he was asked to leave his house when lunch was served on the day of his mother's burial. How he was asked to leave his grandfather's hospital room last year when the elders paid a visit. How the elders did not greet him when his mother and granfather died.

Thank you ROBERTO for the work you and others are doing! The shunning policy really does work. It makes me sad that I need to hide behind this JWN site because of the fear of their shunning policy. Hope you succeed in your application to the ICSA board!

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1975 - A weak argument?

by Christ Alone in

i posted this on an older thread, but i wanted to get an honest opinion about this from all of you.

i think taking the 1975 approach with a jw is...weak.

was it wrong (and false prophetic) of them?

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I was around 1975. They did not say that 1975 was the ''end'' but it was implied. Many Witnesses sold their homes and businesses to preach and pioneer. The WTS is known to use ''WEASEL WORDS'' like:

"Some people say...''

"Some argue..."
"Contrary to many..."
"As opposed to most..."
"Research has shown..."
"...is widely regarded as..."
"...is widely considered to be..."
"...is thought to be..."
"It is believed that..."
"It has been said/suggested/noticed/decided/stated..."
"Some people believe..."
"Some feel that..."
"They say that..."
"Many people say..."
"It may be that..."
"Could it be that..."
"It could be argued that..."
"Critics/experts say that..."
"Some historians argue..."
"Considered by many..."
"Critics contend..."
"Observers say..."
"Fans say..."
"Accusations..."
"Apparently..."
"Allegedly..."
"Arguably..."
"Obviously..."
"Serious scholars/scientists/researchers..."
"Mainstream scholars/scientists/researchers..."
"The (mainstream) scientific community"
"It is claimed..."
"It should be noted that..."
"Correctly (justly, properly, ...) or not, ..."

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Do you ever just start CRYING for apparently no reason?

by Terry in

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i spoke to a friend of mine about this not too long ago.. we are "of a certain age".. the subject came up somehow.. .

i'll be watching a tv commercial or i'll see some people in a park or a simple passing thought will suddenly induce a profound.

sense of---well, how to describe it?

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Terry

Glad to see that you're feeling better! Sometimes we all take life for granted and think nothing can happen to us!

My wife and I were on a 10 day cruise. The weather was wonderful and the food was the best we've ever had on a cruise. As we were eating lunch outside overlooking the deep blue ocean, I started crying like a baby. I was on a beautiful cruise ship and all of a sudden I began to think of my cousin who passed away from cancer a year ago on this date. My wife wanted to know what was wrong with me. I told her that life was unfair. Here we were on a beautiful cruise ship enjoying ourselves and my cousin who died at the age of 52 was in her grave. She left 4 children and a wonderful husband.

We left and stayed in our cabin until I stopped crying.

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Gerrit Losch caption competition!

by cedars in

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the possibilities truly are endless with photoshop!!.

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cedars.

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'' I don't know who asks more frickin questions....Raymond or Minimus?''

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The ''petty'' Elder with his stupid rules.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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My uncle ( who was an elder for over 40 years ) passed away in March of 2012. We lived close to each other and any favor he needed I would do. In his last months I would take him to Doctor appointments and spend as much time with him as possible.

I've been asked to be a pallbearer for all my family funerals. This time I was not asked to be a pallbearer for my uncle. (I haven't been to any meetings in over 9 months.)

A new Minsterial Servant who came to our congregation 6 months ago ( who hardly knew my uncle ) was asked. My aunt and family probably had me on the list but were over-ruled by the self-righteous Elder who gave the talk and prayer. All the pallbearers were baptised members of his congregation. They had plenty of nephews who could of been asked but chose not to include them.

I'm not mad at my aunt or my cousins. I'm mad at how petty this Elder was! What was the problem with me walking out the casket of my uncle and walking it less than 50 feet to the waiting hearse ?

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The ''petty'' Elder with his stupid rules.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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Band on the Run Feeling Disapair and Sucidal Ideation-Help Is Needed

by Scott77 in

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i often feel despair b/c of illness over which i have no control.

sometimes i ponder suicide.

i know i am depressed so i defer any action until i can gauge my thoughts more accurately.

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Band on the Run

I hope you hang in there! You posted on one of my threads stating that you had facial neuralgia. I looked it up on WIKIPEDIA and it sounds very painful. Do you have central neuralgia or peripheal neuralgia?

I've had health problems the last 2 years that have made me depressed but I continue to fight in a positive way. The last 2 years I've had :

Kidney Stones.....Gall Stones.....High Blood Pressure.....Tinnitus.....2 Herniated Disc.....Deviated Septum.....Sleep Apnea.....and hearing loss. I'm only 50 years old.

Everytime I see a Doctor they ask,'' How are you doing?'' I tell them that these medical issues are just small problems.

I just hope I never get cancer. That's when I would become depressed. My cousin passed away 2 years ago from liver cancer and that makes all my health problems seem so small.

Take care of yourself!

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Do Elders give ''goodbye'' talks when leaving their congregations?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

i've had the same elders in my congregation for the last 25 years.

they've added two new elders in the last five years.

none of them have ever moved to another congregation.. i would like to know: if an elder decides to move to another congregation,will they let him give a little ''goodbye'' talk at the service meeting to thank everyone?

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I've had the same Elders in my congregation for the last 25 years. They've added two new Elders in the last five years. None of them have ever moved to another congregation.

I would like to know: If an Elder decides to move to another congregation,will they let him give a little ''goodbye'' talk at the service meeting to thank everyone? Or,is that frowned upon because the ''glory'' belongs to Jehovah and not the Elder?

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New Video - Jehovah's Witnesses and Higher Education

by sabastious in

some musings about higher education, hope you enjoy.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_r11t3otw.

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The last assembly I attended (2 years ago) had a dramatization about higher education . Two sisters went up. One was a Counselor and one a student not wanting to go to College. I will paraphrase as best as I can.

High School Counselor: ''Have a seat Karen and I will show you all the College applications I have for you.''

Sister: ''Thank you for all the work you have done.''

Counselor: '' I have an application from Harvard,one from Michigan University,and a couple from the East Coast.''

Sister: '' I have done alot of thinking and decided not to go to any College."

Counselor: ''Karen,you have a 4.0 grade average and scored very high on the A.C.T. and you would have no problem getting into any of these schools."

Sister: '' As you know,I'm a Jehovah's Witness and we believe that we are near the ''end times.'' I decided that I will go into the preaching work part time and maybe go to a 2 year school."

Counselor: ''You will probably get into these schools at almost no cost because of your 4.0 average and high A.C.T. scores and have a good career the rest of your life.These are great schools and will prepare you to land a good job.''

Sister: ''This world is passing by and may not be here any longer. I decided to enter the ministry work and Jehovah God will provide for me in the future."

Everyone applauded except me. That was really sad to see!

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4/15 WT- WTS Doesn't Care about your Happiness- Just JW's Obedience

by flipper in

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been off the board for about 6 days or so battling a nasty bout of vertigo that hit me early this week.

at least my heads not spinning so i can think straight now to type a thread.

in this article titled, " maintain a complete heart towards jehovah " ( which should be called ' maintain a complete heart towards the wt society ) - wt society uses a lame illustration of a field laborer desiring family - yet missapplies this to jw's desiring " things of satan's world".. on page 15 it states, " a field laborer is busy plowing.

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Flipper

Great thread as usual!

My uncle passed away about a month ago at 85 years old. He served as an Elder for close to 50 years. He plowed his field and worked for the WTS without ever seeing any benefits for his labor. The WTS promised him that ''his generation would not pass away'' and ''the end was always around the corner.''

My uncle worked jobs that promised him no Saturday,Sunday work,no nights,no overtime,and time off without pay so he could pioneer in the summer months. He went to all summer conventions in New York, Canada, and even California for three days. Besides the conventions,he never took his family on a vacation.

The only material he ever read was Watchtower related. He never read any books,magazines,or newspapers. I went to his house in his last days and he would be seen reading the Bible. He never went out to any movies,plays,concerts,picnics,restaurants,and sporting events because he was too busy being an Elder and pioneering when his work would let him. When he retired at 65,he pioneered until he was 83 years old. He would still go out in service even when he couldn't walk any longer.

He maintained ''a complete heart towards Jehovah WTS'' and never reaped any benefits! What a sad day it was when they lowered his coffin in the ground and saw that all his work for this corportation was a lie! All he did was work for a book publishing and real estate corporation!